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(04:31:14) kesuari: i could've sworn that on the heirarchy of cool letters, ø was way higher than ö

(20:06:04) kesuari: i wish someone would work out a universal definition of word, and make english orthography agree with it

(21:12:04) kesuari: mark twain was awesome

(21:12:08) kesuari: possibly the world's best american

(23:26:35) kesuari: "Use boldface for certain forms in Oscan and Umbrian, and to distinguish Gaulish and other forms originally written in the Greek alphabet." i don't suppose you have any idea why?

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(23:30:58) kesuari: (actually, that's pretty ironic: using bold instead of italics for italic languages like oscan and umbrian)

(00:49:38) kesuari: you have a really lax system

[Jonathan explains rules in more depth]

(00:54:44) kesuari: okay, now it seems more normal

(00:54:56) kesuari: complex rules & money = immigration law

(01:03:16) kesuari: it's very difficult to say "psycholinguistics" differently from "psycho linguistics", and a lot of people think that's an apt description of me/what i do

(01:06:43) kesuari: (there's some people who manage to study the psycholinguistics of generative grammar, but i think that's like studying the physics of alchemy)

(22:46:00) kesuari: but yeah, i get the idea from wp+google's awfully projected world map

(22:46:22) kesuari: seriously, russia looks like it's as big as all the rest of eurasia combined!

(22:48:37) kesuari: altho i suppose that "only" makes it look twice as big as it is

(20:40:31) kesuari: and take a guess how easy it is to search for information on something called "by" with relation to something called "r"

(19:07:00) kesuari: apparently we don't have extradition treaties with canada or new zealand! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_Australia

(19:08:59) kesuari: how can we not with new zealand? they're like our buddies!

(19:09:11) kesuari: maybe we have some other architecture for dealing with extradition between them and us

(19:09:46) kesuari: like we're so happy to extradite that no-one bothers with a treaty, we just say "yo" and they say "have fun"

(18:17:11) kesuari: i'm gonna try something different

(18:17:25) kesuari: (i.e. find a comp with spss)

(18:24:08) kesuari: i found one!

(18:24:15) kesuari: it does what all good commercial softwar does:

(18:24:17) kesuari: crashed on startup

(11:22:14) kesuari: i think it's more that people want to be rich

(11:22:19) kesuari: but not particularly jewish

(15:29:05) kesuari: it referred to using powerpoint on a mac

(15:29:20) kesuari: *"it"

(15:29:47) kesuari: (ironically, i'm currently reading a paper about pronoun resolution)

(16:45:11) cassowary: he was being a prick and thought putting a smiley on would make him not a prick

(16:45:19) [me]: yeah

(16:45:22) [me]: people do that a lot

(16:45:27) [me]: I know people who do that irl

(16:45:46) cassowary: what, they say "you're an idiot colon closing bracket"?

(16:51:14) cassowary: ause always uses the ame/bre option that is more logical

(16:51:22) cassowary: an if neither is logical, we use another one, that's logicaller

(16:55:43) [me]: speaking of which, the dotted line that's normally on buttons and other non-entry things to show focus (very useful if you're using tab instead of the mouse) have recently stopped dispalying at all for me

(16:56:10) [me]: mostly on buttons

(16:56:16) [me]: at least that's where it bothers me the most

(16:59:13) thecartographers: hm, that sounds bad

(16:59:31) [me]: well, it's not bad in that it breaks anything really

(16:59:36) thecartographers: i'm sure it's been discussed ad nauseum in the past, and everyone knows it's important

(16:59:38) [me]: it just makes me feel like I'm drunk when doing things

(16:59:46) thecartographers: it breaks thinsg for people who can't use mice...

(16:59:50) [me]: true

(17:00:00) [me]: or who just don't :-P

(17:02:08) thecartographers: yeah but gnome people, who are in charge of gtk for better or worse

(17:02:14) thecartographers: don't care about what you want, jsut what you can do

(17:02:34) thecartographers: if you say "i can't use the mouse" then they accomodate: if you say "i won't use the mouse" then they say "use kde"

(17:03:31) thecartographers: and then you say "now i've tried using kde, but i've gone blind from the hideous sight. can you accomodate me?" and they'll say "yes, but you can still use your hands, so you only get a text-to-speech engine system, but no outlines on the buttons"

(04:34:55) kesuari: "What the country's political opposition doubts is whether it was an accident at all." well given the way people in kyrgyzstan drive, i doubt *any* crash could be described as an accident

(18:19:44) jonathan: we'll probably have 1TB flash drives in a couple years

(18:19:56) jonathan: but 1PB is still quite a ways off I think

(18:21:40) T. A. McLeay: hm maybe

(18:21:51) T. A. McLeay: what'd you do with so much storage anyway? :)

(18:22:52) jonathan: put star trek on it

(18:22:58) jonathan: and I mean all of it

(18:23:25) jonathan: well, maybe not Voyager

(18:02:22) [Tristan]: i think slang is just a word for colloquial words, at least in colloquial speech

(17:59:56) kesuari: reading 19th century writing is fun

(18:00:02) kesuari: books were often basically blogs :)

(16:45:41) kesuari: there's a whole ton of different types of most linguistic things

(13:18:45) kesuari: and today the jon at uni was going on about not doing homework during break

(13:19:09) kesuari: funny how things come in batches

(03:53:24) [me]: apt broke evince

(03:53:57) kesuari: cool =)

(19:13:28) [me]: yeah, they have a lot of quays in canada

(19:13:39) [Tristan]: probably to keep the americans out

(19:14:46) T. A. McLeay: en franczais

(19:15:14) T. A. McLeay: (my compose key and altgr key on this keyboard are switched, and it's easier to use a z and this explanation than it is to cope with switched keys)

(16:10:49) kesuari: can black kids come from white parents?

(13:21:56) kesuari: i am not sure if i am nervous, excited or simply feeling the effects of a can of coke i drank so i would be unsure if i was nervous, excited or simply feeling the effects of a can of coke

(13:22:24) kesuari: i second-guess myself all the time

(12:25:11) kesuari: living in the sun for billions of years after the earth has been destroyed and human life is extinguished would be pretty dodgy

(12:27:16) kesuari: so i'm perfectly content to live for, say, a million years and call it a day

(12:27:38) kesuari: hopefully i can contribute enough genetic code to the human race over that time that future generations are still backwards compatible

(12:27:50) kesuari: i've thought about this too much too

(11:48:40) kesuari: they mean you'll live with god (or notwith god) forever

(11:49:00) kesuari: heh, without means notwith. i didn't need to make the word up

(12:16:42) kesuari: literal definition often means "in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical"

(12:17:01) [me]: fair enough

(12:17:07) [me]: people certainly use it that way

(12:17:49) kesuari: that's the first definition on dictionary.com ;)

(12:18:25) [me]: yeah, I guessed you'd pulled it from a dictionary

(12:18:44) kesuari: well, i was pointing out it's the *first* definition

(12:18:52) kesuari: i.e. the primary one

(12:20:08) [me]: dictionaries don't always know which to put first

(12:20:37) kesuari: in the case of "literal" i think they got it right

(12:20:49) kesuari: people don't use it to mean its literal definition i.e. "of letters" very often

(12:21:03) kesuari: (oh noes! i've used "literal" with a different definition!)

(12:22:46) [me]: you're just trying to be meta and ironic to get on my quotes page

(12:23:01) [me]: *to get more on my quotes page

(12:23:06) [me]: you dominate it anyway these days

(12:23:27) kesuari: lol no, i was just trying to be ironic because irony is funny

(12:23:40) kesuari: if that gets me on your quotes page, well then, i can use that in my plot to take over the world

(12:23:49) kesuari: and if it doesn't, well, it's not a vital step anyway

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(12:25:40) kesuari: actually, that could be more a difference of the implications of "primary" anyway. so maybe i was using "literal" with its literal meaning, but "literal" and "primary" are both thankfully ambiguous in the same way?

(12:25:43) kesuari: i am confused.

(19:13:07) kesuari: French Guiana ... is an overseas department ... of France

(19:13:18) kesuari: It is an integral part of France, and its currency is the Euro.

(19:13:34) kesuari: france did colonisation really weird

(19:13:46) kesuari: france does everything really weird

(19:13:50) kesuari: france is really weird

(19:13:51) kesuari: damn frogs

(19:23:46) [me]: stressed and unstressed clitics are used that way

(19:23:53) [me]: at least in AmE

(19:24:11) kesuari: well yeah, they're used like that here too --- but they shouldn't be

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(19:24:29) [me]: now you're just being a perscriptivist

(19:24:50) kesuari: of course i am: i'm advocating spelling reform

(19:34:54) ***kesuari bags jon all the time, but jon doesn't always notice it

(19:35:12) [me]: no, I just can't tell

(19:35:15) [me]: I notice that something's up

(19:35:19) [me]: and consider that as a possibility

(19:35:25) [me]: but can't always tell if it's the right one

(19:35:37) kesuari: it's like shakespearean comedy, except with insults, not sex

(16:29:31) kesuari: i learnt the names "asterix" and "obelix" long before i learnt what asterisks and obelisks were, and the common nouns are just weirdarse variants of the characters

(17:23:23) [me]: "More data would have to be gathered to determine what the underlying cause of these dichotomies is"

(17:23:37) [me]: (is there anything you'd change with that?)

(17:24:31) kesuari: (yes, of course i would; i find academic written language and the spoken language that is essentially its read version incredibly hard to understand)

(17:24:49) kesuari: (but unfortunately making it just normal english wouldn't be thesis-like enough)

(17:24:50) syljwesandhr: (so what would you change?)

(17:25:11) kesuari: "if we want to work out what actually causing these differences, we'll have to get more data"

(13:27:47) kesuari: i don't entirely no

(13:28:01) Jonor Thwash: you don't entirely no what? ;)

(13:28:40) kesuari: i don't entirely no why we maintain this farce of an orthographical system

(19:13:11) kesuari: well, i suppose they say one way to become a great artist is to copy everyone else

(19:13:26) kesuari: well, copy the great artists i mean

(19:13:37) kesuari: someone who wanted to paint well shouldn't copy any drawings i've done

(17:40:43) kesuari: my dialect has everything to do with syntax ungrammatical?

(16:27:22) kesuari: is *that* what causes that bug?

(16:27:27) kesuari: i hadn't worked it out yet

(16:27:30) kesuari: but you could easily be right!

(16:27:33) [me]: that's what I assumed it was

(16:27:36) [me]: and of course I'm right

(16:27:50) kesuari: including about all the contradictory things you might've said about l/n?

(16:28:02) [me]: that's all just theory

(16:28:07) [me]: there's no way to be right for sure ;)

(16:28:21) kesuari: but if you contradict yourself, you must be wrong

(16:28:32) [me]: no, just stating theories

(16:28:32) kesuari: especially if you begin the contradiction by saying "oh, i was wrong before"

(16:28:39) [me]: have I said that?

(16:28:42) [me]: .. probably actually

(16:28:43) kesuari: i don't know

(16:28:45) kesuari: i'm assuming you have

(16:28:50) kesuari: because it makes my theory make you look bad

(16:14:09) kesuari: if i agreed with everything you said, why not just talk to yourself?

(16:48:45) kesuari: a place where not only it snows, but it gets to 30 °

(16:48:48) kesuari: that sounds awesome

(16:48:54) kesuari: do they keep any of them in civilised countries?

(16:49:00) [me]: heh

(16:49:05) [me]: much of the U.S. is like that

(16:49:22) kesuari: as i said, in civilised countries?

(19:22:47) kesuari: so i mean, a large part of why i want to move overseas is so i can move out of my parent's place

(11:18:41) kesuari: there's a corner of hell where people write Microsoft Office-style suites in TeX

(18:45:25) kesuari: i never know how to assess girls

(17:46:00) [me]: when's the beginning of spring for you guys?

(17:46:06) kesuari: 1 spring

(17:46:10) [me]: ...

(17:46:11) kesuari: 1 september

(17:46:17) kesuari: sorry, they start with the same letter

(17:14:36) [me]: I wonder if Turkish F-type keyboards are related to Turkish F-type prisons

(17:14:49) kesuari: ? i think the F comes from first letter

(17:14:54) [me]: oh

(17:15:07) [me]: what about the prisons?

(17:15:17) kesuari: they probably don't have any keys

(18:50:47) [me]: y'know is jɨnəʊ̯

(18:51:13) [me]: that's weird though, because it doesn't follow the ə/ɨ generalisation for me

(18:51:31) [Tristan]: clitics don't in general

(18:51:42) [me]: oh yeah, the ɨm/əm contrast..

(18:51:45) [Tristan]: kill him ~ kill them is a ɪ/ə minimal pair

(18:52:05) [Tristan]: usefule to know as the indisputable overlord of the whole world

(18:52:24) [Tristan]: and especially useful for one of his minions

(17:02:31) [me]: I can't think of anything to make from potatoes

(17:03:34) kesuari: mashed potatoes?

(17:03:43) [me]: nah

(17:04:12) [me]: I mean, soup, mashed potatoes, and omlit (tortilla española) all come to mind

(17:04:18) [me]: but I don't want any of those

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(17:05:51) [me]: maybe I'll just make that really good curry again

(17:10:05) kesuari: you can also make stamps out of potatoes

(17:10:17) [me]: I was thinking of food

(17:10:23) [me]: not .. other stuff

(17:10:27) [me]: that I have no use for :-P

(17:10:37) kesuari: given you're talking to me, you really should've specified

(19:22:29) kesuari: i'm probably the wrong person to be giving any sort of relationship advice/commentry i guess :)

(19:22:34) kesuari: or maybe :(

(13:53:57) kesuari: now you're getting stupid

(13:54:15) [me]: no, I'm actually trying to get it to go one step further

(13:54:20) [me]: in a scientific way, not a silly way

(13:54:41) kesuari: for you, i think there's little difference anyway

(17:26:23) [me]: well, the ranking of constraints in America right now is something like Security >> Freedom

(17:26:59) [me]: and that's Security[National], not Security[Personal], mind you

(17:27:15) kesuari: (in australia: IDon'tCareButIVote >> *)

(18:41:48) kesuari: because i thought that wsa pretty obvious and lack the thingy (that means you're good with words) to express it clearer

(14:03:29) [Tristan]: "i'm bored" "heh, some madman was telling me i should add this feature to gaim" "hm really? maybe i'll do that then"

(16:05:58) [me]: sometimes people format them like an e-mail, and it's really strange

(16:06:18) [me]: "Hey X,

What's up? I had fun last weekend. See you around.

Your friend,
Y"

(16:06:21) [me]: and it's like wtf?

(16:06:30) [me]: it should be "Yo, had fun last weekend. Catch you later."

(16:07:02) kesuari: people write emails like that?

(16:07:20) kesuari: i thought i was the only person who used capital letters any more

(17:01:15) kesuari: nothing's regular in english, not even irregularity

(17:04:21) kesuari: (and also, not even irregularity is regular, so there's going to be some regularity somewhere)

(12:59:33) kesuari: god didn't invent circumstances for remembering, he invented them for happening

(15:17:35) [me]: you just have to think like me is all, and then you'll understand things like this :-P

(15:17:46) kesuari: yeah

(15:18:06) kesuari: i, on the other hand, got my thinkingways from a more reputable dealer than you, i think

(15:18:14) kesuari: you probably got yours from a kyrgyz bizarre

(06:20:41) kesuari: hang it on an article of clothing, hang that on the line near the tree, it'll be gone by tomorrow

(17:36) [Tristan]: oh. i'd just kinda come to assume it was an american vs real english distinction

(03:26:05) kesuari: in a thousand years, when english has divided into many languages and tehy've all had spelling reforms, they'll divise a "standardised spelling" for classical english

(03:26:52) kesuari: because the current spelling will been seen as "irregular" and "hard to read", "a poor guide to pronunciation" &c. they will probably also add diacritics so we can tell which vowels are long and which are short, which e's are silent and which are pronounced etc.

(03:27:09) kesuari: much like we do to old english

(03:27:33) kesuari: only, for a non-linguist of the 20th/21st centuries, it'll be hard to read because we don't expect it

(03:29:08) kesuari: and because no-one can seriously expect any of our recordings to last until then and because linguistics texts will largely have been lost to time as they weren't reproduced enough, people will have debates about quite how various aspects were pronounced

(03:30:10) kesuari: they'll reconstruct a language that includes the "bath/trap" split, f'instance

(03:30:24) kesuari: and have trouble reconciling it with the other germanic languagse

(03:32:45) kesuari: but, of course, english retained *þ and *w so it's obviously conservative: it must've been that german and even icelandic lost the original æ/ɑ distinction

(03:42:49) kesuari: nothing backs up like chiselling a great big stone

(03:43:57) kesuari: i sometimes reckon i should do that: go carving runes somewhere in the bush

(03:44:55) kesuari: not runes per se; i mean some form of phonetic alphabet that looks like runes and is similar enough to the latin alphabet or germanic runes to be decryptable

(03:45:17) kesuari: or maybe i'll do it a bit less phonetic just to give the future linguists a bit of fun

(03:45:43) kesuari: can't be too trivial or else i'll be the Orrm of the 21st century

[wine keeps causing X to crash]

(03:26:24) [me]: wine sucks

(03:37:21) kesuari: well, at least it's emulating windows well

(21:43) Tristan: you realise of course that what you're doing here is filing bugreports for linguistic theories, which are kind of like computer programs

(21:43) Tristan: so the "maintainers" are probably going to call you mad

(23:37:38) [me]:

(23:36:42) Jade Solitude: I love free software

(23:36:51) Jade Solitude: But I love some propriety software, too

(23:36:51) Jade Solitude: =þ

(23:37:02) Jade Solitude: I love Winamp, for example

(23:38:38) kesuari: hah! people still use winamp. how cute. you should cage him, etc.

(23:27:50) kesuari: (also, it's annoying for people on dialup, because it makes it take much longer to download)

(23:28:00) kesuari: (but that's largely no longer a concern in the west)

(23:28:28) [me]: I'm actually talking to someone who's on dial-up right now

(23:28:53) kesuari: ooh wow, you should cage her and put her in the zoo with that windows friend of yours who uses gaim

(05:54:49) kesuari: i was saying it was evidence i was right, just saying it was what some sourte said

(05:55:00) [me]: sourte?

(05:55:04) kesuari: source

(05:55:08) [me]: oh :-P

(05:55:22) [me]: it processed semantically something like "bloke" would've in that context :-P

(05:55:49) kesuari: yeah, well, this is the internet so it might as well have been some bloke

(04:02:04) [me]: let's do sheep based on land area now

(04:02:43) [me]: Kazakhstan: 15'217'700 / 2,724,900 km²

(04:03:06) [me]: Kyrgyzstan: 5'264'000 / 199,900 km²

(04:03:11) [me]: oops

(04:03:16) [me]: I think I'm doing humans :-P

(04:03:52) kesuari: unless you're kiwi, that's what I'd expect you to "do"

(04:44:13) [me]: nz has more sheep/km² than china has people

(04:44:20) kesuari: indeed

(04:44:48) kesuari: this is the basis for why the chinese, in general, breed with other chinese; but new zealanders often breed with sheep.

(01:55:22) [me]: and using beamer to do my slides

(01:55:29) kesuari: use powerpoint then :)

(01:55:47) kesuari: *use powerpoint then $\ddot{\smile}$

(00:11:39) kesuari: anyway, on notes unrelated, have you got anywhere a list of soundchanges from some earlier form of the language to kazakh/kyrgyz?

(00:12:09) [me]: no, but I could make one really quickly

(00:12:22) kesuari: could you?

(00:12:31) kesuari: there needs to be a turkic romlang

(00:21:10) kesuari: am i meant to think something of it ?

(00:21:17) [me]: well, yes :-P

(00:21:33) [me]: as an australian listening to an American-made folk song about Australia :-P

(00:21:59) kesuari: it’s just an american doing what americans do. like when they go off and call us "arsies"...

(00:22:08) kesuari: we forgive you, but we don’t encourage you :)

(03:59:35) kesuari: how many ways does greek have of writing /i/!

(03:59:53) kesuari: it’s like the saw english "ough" and thought "hey, we can do that ... in reverse"

(02:13:14) kesuari: who who knows what xml and tex is doesn’t know what syntax is?

(00:04:32) kesuari: eü -> ew is nothing...

(00:05:04) [me]: actually, not's not true

(00:05:45) [me]: didn't you look at that chart I sent? ;)

(00:06:29) kesuari: oh, w desonorises!

(00:06:32) kesuari: that’s awesome

(00:06:32) [me]: yeah =)

(00:06:42) [me]: I remember noticing that about 2 years ago

(00:06:46) [me]: and coming to the same conclusion

(00:07:00) kesuari: lol. yeah, your opinions are contagious or something

(02:38:42) [me]: what's a synonym for indecision?

(02:39:52) kesuari: ambivalence

(02:40:31) [me]: I don't have either of those as categories on my quotes page

(02:40:39) [me]: I hate adding new categories because I have so many

(02:40:50) kesuari: just put in procrastination and go to bed

(05:34:00) kesuari: yeah. i get really bored when i’ve nothing to do; i simply can’t procrastinate from *nothing*

(05:34:13) kesuari: soon as you give me work, then *bamn* i’m not doing it

(05:51:42) kesuari: yeah. looking at the keyboard while you ty5e is fun.

(05:51:50) kesuari: unless you accidently type a five

(03:14) cassowary: when the nouveau drivers are released, and i can get video out happening, i’ll plug my MS mouse back into my imac, and have an imac with a dell screen, a sun keyboard, and a microsoft mouse running linux. that will be fun :)

(02:57:36) kesuari: if there’s a computer nearby, you could email yourself to it, and fix it now... :)

(02:58:36) kesuari: (one of these days, someone’s going to invent a device that can email solid objects instantly, and that joke won’t be funny anymore)

(02:55:01) [me]: and I'm maxing out the network capabilities of my server

(02:55:26) [me]: between me and it is an 802.11g connection, a router, and a 100Mbps connection

(02:56:05) [Tristan]: not bad.

(02:56:14) [Tristan]: between me and it is half the world

18:14:37 kesuari: ummm. they have a holiday on the first day of classes?

18:14:56 kesuari: how can you have a day of classes on a holiday?

18:15:11 kesuari: isn’t that like going to work to celebrate a day off?

18:15:46 kesuari: soviets are weird.

01:04:04 [Jonathan]: I'm a linux person, I just use a mac

01:04:17 [Jonathan]: because it's more convenient on portable hardware for now

01:04:26 [Jonathan]: I hear most of the issues I had with linux on here have cleared up

01:04:37 [Jonathan]: so I might go back to linux, but I'm thinking of waiting until the fall

01:04:46 [Jonathan]: though I did just clear enough HD space for it I think

01:04:50 [Tristan]: you should do it now, for your health

01:05:03 [Trstian]: when i'm using the mac, i always do stupid things like type in the wrong window

01:05:18 [Tristan]: "my cursors on that bloody window, how come i can't type oh shit i've just deleted all the files on my hard drive"

01:05:32 [Tristan]: yeah, that's why i haven't got linux on my computer properly yet

03:58:07 [Tristan]: yeah, that's basically the way apple is.

03:58:31 [Tristan]: we PWN you, sort of thing.

02:35:08 [Tristan]: i hope your health insurance covers your tongue

04:21:06 [Tristan]: /me wonders how it shows for jon when he deso it

04:21:24 [me]: it just starts with "/me" and looks like a normal message otherways

04:21:38 [me]: (including your weird metathesis typos)

04:21:47 [Tristan]: llo

01:02:01 [Tristan]: (it occurs to me i've probably spent more money on free software than many people have spent on pay-for software)

01:34:57 [Tristan]: there's a windows-user who uses gaim?

01:35:06 [Tristan]: i didn't realise such things existed!

01:35:16 [Tristan]: you should capture him and put him in a zoo!

01:35:53 [Tristan]: or stuff him and put him in a museum!

03:04:45 [Tristan]: i don't think there's much bush could do to cause the necessary change in system that'd result in the english dialects splitting up

03:36:29 [me]: cardinal vowels are so wrong

03:36:44 [Tristan]: oh, yeah, they're quite arbitrary

03:37:58 [me]: very franco-centric, though, if you ask me

03:39:24 [me]: btw, Kazakh has aspirated voiceless stops

03:39:27 [me]: go figure

03:39:40 [me]: but those voiceless stops voice and fricativise on occasion :)

03:40:11 [Tristan]: the primaracy of voice distinction in stops is also very fraco-centric :)

03:40:28 [Tristan]: maybe the americans should make their own freedom phonetic alphabet :)

04:29:42 [Tristan]: stupid 10 am is a time that shouldn't be allowed to exist.

04:45:33 [Tristan]: well if you used words like god meant them to be word, there'd be no problem

18:05:22 [Tristan]: "songs about diachronic OT phonology"? you're mad.

05:23:50 [me]: (I'm rather fond of pre-revolution Russian. It's almost proto-eastern slavic)

05:24:29 [Tristan]: yeah, well just wait till the english languages break up, our spelling will be proto-english :)

20:58:04 [me]: *moves to Iceland*

20:58:15 [Tristan]: what, you can do that just by saying it over IM? :)

20:58:27 [me]: hey, it was a performative sentence :)

20:58:40 [Tristan]: iceland has the 7th highest GDP per capita, apparently

20:58:46 [Tristan]: performative?

20:58:52 [Tristan]: (is that a word?)

20:59:04 [me]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative

20:59:08 [me]: wikipedia thinks so :)

21:00:20 [Tristan]: hm, interesting, so by saying "*moves to iceland*" it actually caused you to move to iceland? :)

21:01:15 [Tristan]: *moves to iceland*

21:01:20 [Tristan]: nah, didn't seem to work :(

21:01:29 [Tristan]: obviously not a perfomative in my dialect :)

05:11:37 [Tristan]: and i would think that if you need to tell people to distinguish two symbols it's usually an indication that you shouldn't be :)

05:28:39 [Tristan]: otherwise it'd just be a co-incidence

05:29:16 [me]: what's a coïncidence?

05:29:27 [Tristan]: when two incidences coincide?

05:29:34 [me]: …

05:43:30 [me]: I'm matching for a timestamp

05:43:40 [me]: since people don't generally say those

05:43:47 [me]: and all the im quotes have them

05:43:48 [Tristan]: i say them all the time

05:43:52 [Tristan]: every time i'm talking, i say them

05:44:08 [me]: oh?

05:44:26 [Tristan]: yes: "bracket oh-oh colon four-four colon twenty-three close bracket tristan colon: i do it all the time"

05:44:58 [me]: hence it being for ims

05:45:10 [me]: and you don't say that

05:45:15 [Tristan]: are you sure?

05:45:20 [Tristan]: have you ever heard me speaking?

05:45:49 [me]: actually, yes, but not conversationally

05:46:05 [me]: though granted you coulda stripped those out of the the recordings I've heard

05:46:10 [Tristan]: yeah, i did

05:46:30 [Tristan]: 'cos it's a bit weird, admittedly

05:46:39 [Tristan]: i didn't want to interfere with whatever eles you're doing

05:39:41 [me]: how big's the file?

05:39:49 [Tristan]: 346 MB

05:40:07 [Tristan]: (my internet connection's really fast, so i replied before i got the question)

05:40:44 [Tristan]: or maybe this?:

(00:39:51) [Tristan]: 346 MB

(00:39:53) [me]: how big's the file?

(00:40:15) [Tristan]: (my internet connection's really fast, so i replied before i got the question)

05:41:12 [me]:

05:39:41 [me]: how big's the file?

05:39:49 [Tristan]: 346 MB

05:40:07 [Tristan]: (my internet connection's really fast, so i replied before i got the question)

05:41:32 [me]: *someone's* internet isn't as fast as it should be

05:41:40 [me]: probably fault of my stupid ethernet cord though

05:42:11 [Tristan]: probably

05:42:22 [Tristan]: yours must be slow, and mine fast, to make me able to reply before your question gets here

05:42:38 [me]: .. what?

05:42:44 [me]: oh, that actually makes some sense

05:42:47 [me]: scarily enough

05:43:12 [Tristan]: lol

05:43:18 [Tristan]: don't i normally?

05:44:14 [me]: in weird ways like that? Emphatically yes.

05:44:39 [Tristan]: no, i mean in normal ways, like that

05:44:50 [me]: that's what I mean

05:44:54 [me]: you just think it's normal

05:45:00 [me]: cause it's you

05:45:51 [Tristan]: actually, i was a bit scared it would be patent nonsense,

05:46:02 [Tristan]: but i thought i should try anyway

05:46:02 [Tristan]: and it worked :)

05:46:16 [me]: no, you see, it did make some sense

05:46:45 [Tristan]: yeah, that's what i mean

05:46:45 [Tristan]: i was scared it would be patent nonsense

05:46:45 [Tristan]: and it wasn't

05:46:58 [Tristan]: so my attempts at communication resulted in some communication

05:47:10 [Tristan]: which is what working communication should do

05:47:10 [Tristan]: so it worked :)

05:47:21 [me]: you mean you were afraid it would come across as such?

05:47:37 [me]: (and hey, give me some credit too, I understood your nonesense)

05:47:38 [Tristan]: i was afraid it would come across as patent nonsense, but that wasn't my objective

05:47:43 [Tristan]: i was trying to communicate :)

05:47:44 [me]: okay

05:47:46 [me]: yeah

05:47:49 [me]: well, you succeeded

05:47:51 [Tristan]: i wasn't meaning to deprive you of any

05:47:57 [me]: after I thought on it some..

05:48:00 [Tristan]: yeah, but only after much effort just now!

03:47:04 [Tristan]: i thought yiddish was ei > ai, ii > ei

03:47:16 [me]: that's possible. what's your source?

03:47:28 [Tristan]: my possibly faulty brain

03:47:37 [me]: well, where'd you get it before that

03:47:41 [me]: cause that sounds basically right

03:47:59 [Tristan]: my possibly faulty brain is getting a DNS resolution failure on that.

01:33:23 [me]: the commercial right before that one just now was a girl with a perfectly standard my-generation american accent, and I was admiring her very clear vowels. Enough so that I downloaded Praat.

01:34:11 [Tristan]: you're kidding me?

01:36:01 [Tristan]: "check out this girl's formants!"

02:26:13 [me]: meh. I'll do this later

02:26:29 [me]: more food

02:26:43 [Tristan]: food's always good

02:27:01 [Tristan]: that's why people spelt "food" and "good" with mostly the same letters, even tho they don't rhyme

02:27:23 [Tristan]: this nonsense about "phonetic drift" and "irregular splits" is just that.

05:43:39 [Tristan]: and why is equality suddenly intransitive?

05:43:47 [me]: because evilness is bivalent

05:44:24 [Tristan]: the valency of evilness has no meaning wrt the transitivity of equality.

05:44:50 [Tristan]: if FOO's transitive, then if a FOO b and b FOO c means a must FOO c, simple as that

05:45:56 [me]: nope

05:46:09 [me]: that's only in standard western lgoic

05:46:36 [Tristan]: you will confuse everyone if you don't use standard western logic!

06:28:24 [Tristan]: so what, you're saying that if the russians had've invaded australia & america, they'd try and pretend we spoke different langs? :)

06:28:35 [me]: yes

[03:53] Kesuari: yeah, the mac's probably got a command key that'll end the world and another that gives you a million dollars. you just need to find them.

(20:26:16) Kesuari: i sometimes forget how far back america is

(23:46:47) Kesuari: (just now reading your quotes page. sometimes it seems it would be easier on you if you just hitched up a microphone and speech-to-text system under oberon's mouth and just have a complete transcription of everything he says)

(16:28) Kesuari: i hate my uni. every time i find a journal article that might be vaguely useful, i get told that the library doesn't have that journal. stupid library

(16:28) [me]: typical, yeah

that's all unis + murhpey's law

which makes another law I guess

(16:29) Kesuari: mcleay's law? :)

(06:27:36) Kesuari: i think i'm planning on going on exchange second semester next year. except that i'll go to the northern hemisphere, so i'll have three first semesters in a row and it will be spooky

(06:30:06) [me]: whereto exactly?

(06:30:31) Kesuari: europe, for preference. and somewhere they speak english, so that rules out the mainland and england.

(07:02:07) Kesuari: meh. functionality ahead of pritiness

(07:02:14) [me]: sometimes

(07:02:47) Kesuari: yeah, today :)

(07:06:09) Kesuari: (haha, you have an american accent)

(07:07:12) Kesuari: (it's really weird, because you seem so educated :)

(08:56:24) Kesuari: [German Delikatessen, from pl. of Delikatesse, delicacy, from French délicatesse, from Italian delicatezza, fromdelicato, delicate, dainty, from Latin dlictus, pleasing. See delicate.]

(08:56:53) Kesuari: right country, wrong interepretation

(08:57:18) Kesuari: that word remains me of your server, though.

(08:57:21) Kesuari: a whore.

(08:57:35) Kesuari: been with every language...

(03:42:44) Kesuari: what size billion are we talking about?

(03:43:23) Kesuari: (i.e. a thousand-million--billion or a million-million--billion?)

(03:47:25) [me]: a thousand-million

(03:47:35) [me]: a million-million is a trillian :-P

(03:47:43) [me]: trillion

(03:47:45) [me]: bleh

(03:47:53) [me]: too much Douglas Adams

(03:59:22) Kesuari: well, then you talking about you experiencing class is real, just like a book of fiction is real, but the class is make-believe

(03:59:44) [me]: and so am I :-)

(03:59:59) [me]: I need to get some make-believe sleep

(04:00:25) Kesuari: okay

(04:00:43) Kesuari: good make-believe early morning.

(04:04:09) Kesuari: (or, perhaps, me reading you talking about you experiencing class is real, but you talking about class and the class itself is make-believe... i'm not entirely sure.)

(04:04:56) [me]: yeah, I think that's more in line with what you originally said

(04:17:24) Kesuari: o ... kay... i have come to the conclusion that you, sir, are insane, and forget the difference between yourself and the rest of the world :)

(03:23:23) Kesuari: (dʒɔnz søːvəz ə hoː)

(03:24:10) Kesuari: (jon's server's a whore)

(03:24:25) Kesuari: making reference the number of people who have webpages on it)

(06:02:06) Kesuari: (there is, i think, a certain amount of regular voicing and devoicing of stops and /tS/~/dZ/ (which might better be called /c/ and /J\/ even if that isn't their phonetic rendition) IMD. I have heard that it's not uncommon in AuE for voiced stops to be totally unvoiced and unvoiced aspirated, though i'm not sure if that's true for me.)

(06:02:44) [me]: that's like Werner's law

(06:03:03) Kesuari: or the second sound shift of german.

(06:03:19) Kesuari: which is like Werner's

(06:03:40) Kesuari: also fits into this neck of the woods better e.g. chinese and many other asian langs

(06:05:30) [me]: English:PIE::Australian English:Proto Germanic

(06:05:33) [me]: or at least in 2000 years

(06:06:02) [me]: lord help us if Middle English becomes proto-World

(08:36:17) Kesuari: and maths, too. that's another one i'd want to do. except that i hate calculus. or rather find doing it tedious and irritating.

(08:36:51) Kesuari: hell... i should just do everything possible and be known as He Who Knows All.

(08:48:03) [me]: not what I meant

(08:48:06) Kesuari: i know

(08:48:11) [me]: I know you know

(08:48:18) Kesuari: i know you know i know.

(08:48:25) [me]: I know you know I know you know

(08:48:33) Kesuari: did you though?

(08:48:41) [me]: no :\

(08:48:48) Kesuari: didn't think so :P

(08:49:00) [me]: well, that's why I said it in the first place

(08:49:04) [me]: why I said "I know you know"

(08:49:26) Kesuari: i think i'm lost

(01:41:03) [me]: my modem doesn't like handshaking

(01:41:18) Kesuari: my cat doesn't either.

(05:04:59) ***Kesuari wonders why america is the centre of the world if they don't have fish and chips, pineapple on hamburgers, or affordable buyable nice bread.

(05:17:01) Kesuari: umm... clag is a kind of glue that children in kinder/grade prep/1/2 use... i can't describe it any better, but i mean it seems similar to that.

(05:17:11) [me]: paste

(05:17:32) [me]: My first thought with that word was glue-like stuff

(05:17:46) [me]: though I don't think I've heard that word before in my life

(05:17:50) [me]: it's an onomotopoeia for glue!

(05:18:08) Kesuari: do you mean you haven't heard the word clag?

(05:18:10) Kesuari: or claggy?

(05:18:12) [me]: or maybe it's because of its striking phonetic similarity to coagulate

(05:18:16) [me]: nope

(05:18:23) [me]: hey, you don't know what gyros are..

(05:18:30) Kesuari: true. what's a gyros?

(21:09:04) [me]: it's qt.. is it in python?

(21:09:51) Kesuari: no, i think i'ts just qt

(21:09:59) [me]: what language?

(21:10:10) Kesuari: python

(02:31:13) Casoar: i hate things like that. everything should be all powerful. and omniscient so that i don't need to tell it

(03:36:43) Casoar: everyone has insane days. some have insane lifetimes.

(03:43:48) Casoar: apparently there is no suprise

(03:43:50) Casoar: surprise.

(03:44:04) Casoar: stupid silent r. silent ahs shouldn't be spelt

(03:44:20) [me]: then don't spell them :)

(03:44:33) Casoar: okay, i won't then :)

(03:45:15) Casoar: if i can remembe not to spell them. i'll probly foget half the time though. unless the word in question is suprise, when i won't so much foget not to foget as not foget to remembe

(03:46:40) [me]: what??

(04:13:38) Kesuari: i wish i could run software that didn't exist

(04:13:56) Kesuari: i'd run mktristanknoweverythinghewants

(05:18:57) [me]: wow

(05:19:03) [me]: that's scary

(05:19:11) Kesuari: why?

(05:19:23) [me]: it did just what I expected

(22:53:24) [me]: where does kde keep its icons?

(22:53:45) Kesuari: on my computer in /dev/null

(22:35:45) Casoar: i imagine i'd play that in realplayer, which seems to be more like realcrasher on my computer

(02:51:51) Casuarius: though you can tell something's going to taste bad when it's advertised as being good for you and the most well-known brand is called 'so good'...

(02:06:56) Casuarius: you're insane, though. i have *no* idea why you're doing this when you could be bringing about world peace or something :P

(18:50:38) [me]: it's sad that it has to say "made with real fruit :)" on this box of fig bars..

(18:51:04) [Tristan]: with a *smiley*?

(18:51:19) [me]: well, it looks like a smiley, but it could be a ray of sunshine