03:36:29 [me]: cardinal vowels are so wrong
03:36:44 [Tristan]: oh, yeah, they're quite arbitrary
03:37:58 [me]: very franco-centric, though, if you ask me
03:39:24 [me]: btw, Kazakh has aspirated voiceless stops
03:39:27 [me]: go figure
03:39:40 [me]: but those voiceless stops voice and fricativise on occasion :)
03:40:11 [Tristan]: the primaracy of voice distinction in stops is also very fraco-centric :)
03:40:28 [Tristan]: maybe the americans should make their own freedom phonetic alphabet :)