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[link] heard: 16 December 2012
[edit] added: 16 December 2012

(21:39:17) firespeaker: but it's worth seeing what the people who've spent time on this think

(21:39:23) spectie: aye

(21:39:25) firespeaker: "particles" is probably not the way to go

(21:39:41) spectie: "particle" stands for "defeat"

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