Jonathan: "Maybe they just think that */p/ turned to /b/ in Germanic. But it only went half way."
Derek: "Yeah, that's how they got þorn."
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Jonathan: "Maybe they just think that */p/ turned to /b/ in Germanic. But it only went half way."
Derek: "Yeah, that's how they got þorn."
(03:59:35) kesuari: how many ways does greek have of writing /i/!
(03:59:53) kesuari: it’s like the saw english "ough" and thought "hey, we can do that ... in reverse"
(17:23:23) [me]: "More data would have to be gathered to determine what the underlying cause of these dichotomies is"
(17:23:37) [me]: (is there anything you'd change with that?)
(17:24:31) kesuari: (yes, of course i would; i find academic written language and the spoken language that is essentially its read version incredibly hard to understand)
(17:24:49) kesuari: (but unfortunately making it just normal english wouldn't be thesis-like enough)
(17:24:50) syljwesandhr: (so what would you change?)
(17:25:11) kesuari: "if we want to work out what actually causing these differences, we'll have to get more data"
Jonathan: "My favourite translation tool on the internet is to look something up on wikipedia in the source language, and then click the link to the article in the destination language."
Joyce: "Oh yeah, I only ever did that to look up how Star Trek was written in katakana."
Richard: "They did a spelling reform and got rid of all those extra circonflexes."
Jonathan: "Really? Did it apply to Canadian French?"
Richard: "Nothing applies to Canadian French."
(13:11:20) Qatharsis: Your languages suffer from inbreeding, it seems.
(13:12:55) [me]: inbreeding?
(13:14:59) Qatharsis: They're all each other's brother's offspring, and the replicative deficiencies show.
(13:58:39) [me]: there's no inbreeding in the Tēlvo languages
(13:58:47) [me]: no more so than there are in any other language
(13:59:06) Qatharsis: They just look like contorted copies of each other. =P
(13:59:26) Qatharsis: And they develop pathological spelling freakages.
(14:00:07) [me]: what??
(14:00:37) Qatharsis: I mean, accented l? Hello?
05:23:50 [me]: (I'm rather fond of pre-revolution Russian. It's almost proto-eastern slavic)
05:24:29 [Tristan]: yeah, well just wait till the english languages break up, our spelling will be proto-english :)
04:15:26 qatharsis: The Orkhon script is pretty strange. "Runiform" yet also "hellenoid" letters interspersed with emoticons.
(03:43:48) Casoar: apparently there is no suprise
(03:43:50) Casoar: surprise.
(03:44:04) Casoar: stupid silent r. silent ahs shouldn't be spelt
(03:44:20) [me]: then don't spell them :)
(03:44:33) Casoar: okay, i won't then :)
(03:45:15) Casoar: if i can remembe not to spell them. i'll probly foget half the time though. unless the word in question is suprise, when i won't so much foget not to foget as not foget to remembe
(03:46:40) [me]: what??
(16:05:58) [me]: sometimes people format them like an e-mail, and it's really strange
(16:06:18) [me]: "Hey X,
What's up? I had fun last weekend. See you around.
Your friend,
Y"
(16:06:21) [me]: and it's like wtf?
(16:06:30) [me]: it should be "Yo, had fun last weekend. Catch you later."
(16:07:02) kesuari: people write emails like that?
(16:07:20) kesuari: i thought i was the only person who used capital letters any more
"If they wanted it to be pronounced [latkəz], they should've spelled it ‘lutkers’."
(03:42:49) kesuari: nothing backs up like chiselling a great big stone
(03:43:57) kesuari: i sometimes reckon i should do that: go carving runes somewhere in the bush
(03:44:55) kesuari: not runes per se; i mean some form of phonetic alphabet that looks like runes and is similar enough to the latin alphabet or germanic runes to be decryptable
(03:45:17) kesuari: or maybe i'll do it a bit less phonetic just to give the future linguists a bit of fun
(03:45:43) kesuari: can't be too trivial or else i'll be the Orrm of the 21st century
Derek: "I think we should write in runes, and the British should write in Roman."
Jonathan: "What about the Australians?"
Derek: "… They can write in kanji."
[Jonathan shows Aaron a book on Qaraqalpaq written in French]
Aaron: "This orthography is.. what?"
me: "Inconsistent."
Jonathan: "You can write s/he."
Jurgen: "And if you add the neuter pronoun, you get a funny sort of word—I'm not going to say it."
"I'm just going to write it, because it's easier than spelling it."
"In kindergarten they fed us all these three letter words. `Cat, dog', yes, get over it. And this went on for two years. `The cat craps on the rug.' Those are all three and four letter words!"
(01:58:21) [Shreyas]: played?
(01:58:48) [me]: by Natlihah
(01:58:58) [me]: she just wants to distill her guilt
(01:59:19) [me]: I don't think she really cares about them that much
(01:59:40) [me]: I'm not sure if this actually results in anything bad down the road
(01:59:43) [me]: but I suspect it will
(01:59:47) [Shreyas]: that's deeply comforting
(02:00:17) [Shreyas]: on an unrelated note, i just realized that an inertialess spaceship could be fabulously agile
(02:00:45) [me]: rofl, I suppose so
(02:00:50) [me]: good luck designing one
(02:01:19) [Shreyas]: i'll put it on the "rpgs to write" list
(02:01:41) [Shreyas]: right after the one about people who can see into the future as if it's just another spatial dimension
(02:01:52) [me]: heh
(02:04:06) [Shreyas]: it's got a lot of dangerous metaphysics behind it, actually. i'm imagining that futeresight is analogous to depth perception: it takes information you have and derives data from it, via some unconscious, hypercompetent capacity
(02:05:08) [Shreyas]: unfortunately for our prophets, futuresight has to work on their knowledge of things, so they can see any appreciable distance only in familiar situations populated by familiar things
(02:05:50) [Shreyas]: and anytime something unexpected happens, the prophetic capacity has to readjust
(00:05:32) firespeaker: I wrote some last night
(00:05:44) firespeaker: added to the story I've been writing. also edited it considerably
(00:05:48) ¡Luz! Je viens du ciel et les étoiles entre elles / ne parlent que de toi...: what langue?
(00:06:11) firespeaker: what langue do you think? it's a story that may become an epic...
(00:06:19) firespeaker: It's in Tjelwu of course!
(00:06:23) firespeaker: j/k.. English =P
(22:36:56) Rianna: well...i mean, look at our orthography...it's weird but we know what to say
(04:17:24) Kesuari: o ... kay... i have come to the conclusion that you, sir, are insane, and forget the difference between yourself and the rest of the world :)
(23:21:17) Michael: i have to actually start writing the journal paper version of my thesis soon
(23:21:33) Michael: before i forget what i did
(14:15:48) [me]: every time I think back to how I thought about things in high school, central asia makes a lot more sense
(14:15:56) [me]: very provincial and uninformed about things
(14:16:12) Michaela: heh
(14:16:55) Michaela: you know, it's true--even thinking about things like the way people used to write in middle/high school--the quality of their writing makes a lot more sense
(14:17:45) Michaela: i remember telling my mom, "It's like, there's no one here that knows how to think outside the box." she said, "Honey, they don't even know that there is a box."
(19:23:46) [me]: stressed and unstressed clitics are used that way
(19:23:53) [me]: at least in AmE
(19:24:11) kesuari: well yeah, they're used like that here too --- but they shouldn't be
...
(19:24:29) [me]: now you're just being a perscriptivist
(19:24:50) kesuari: of course i am: i'm advocating spelling reform
(13:27:47) kesuari: i don't entirely no
(13:28:01) Jonor Thwash: you don't entirely no what? ;)
(13:28:40) kesuari: i don't entirely no why we maintain this farce of an orthographical system
(11:48:40) kesuari: they mean you'll live with god (or notwith god) forever
(11:49:00) kesuari: heh, without means notwith. i didn't need to make the word up
(17:59:56) kesuari: reading 19th century writing is fun
(18:00:02) kesuari: books were often basically blogs :)
(20:06:04) kesuari: i wish someone would work out a universal definition of word, and make english orthography agree with it
(04:31:14) kesuari: i could've sworn that on the heirarchy of cool letters, ø was way higher than ö
(13:44:30) jonorthwash: anyway, the Kyrgyz side of the invitation's going to be very different
(13:44:42) Aaron B: make sure to put the same date ;)
(13:40:56) spectre: there is a special place in hell
(13:41:04) spectre: for linguists who design orthographies with the ' character
(13:41:53) spectre: (a) letters, (b) punctuation
(13:41:58) spectre: and ne'er the twain shall meet
23:39:17 amosblock: english has a crap shoot, not an orthography :P
I feel like asking linguists to also be not-racist, not-clueless, and good prose stylists shouldn't be too much to ask. But apparently...
(16:19:48) Unhammer: "a basic skill to be learned alongside the three R’s"
(16:19:51) Unhammer: R's?
(16:19:56) firespeaker: .wik Three Rs
(16:19:57) begiak: "The three Rs (as in the letter R)[1] refers to the foundations of a basic skills-orientated education program within schools: reading, writing and arithmetic" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_three_Rs
(16:20:04) Unhammer: so not r-project
(16:20:07) Unhammer: damn
(20:59:11) spectie: weFFIOJEoiweg;oiejg
(21:06:20) spectie: oijoij
(21:09:23) sushain: er
(21:09:24) sushain: hi spectie
(21:09:27) sushain: are you ok?
(21:21:17) spiegelian: sushain, it's a code, you have to break it
(21:45:07) sushain: spiegelian: hmmm
(21:46:07) sushain: 'weFFIOJEoiweg = went to the bar. oiejg = had some beer. oijoij = going to bed now
(18:48:18) jonathan: a lot of Mongol stuff in China is hand-written
(18:48:30) Фрэн: or in CLSEFJSGHXDHT
(18:48:31) Фрэн: script
(19:05:24) spectie: you could remove the 'in langs'
(19:05:31) spectie: what else would TR vowel systems be identified in?
(19:05:32) spectie: buckets?
(19:05:50) spectie: insurgent groups/
(19:06:01) spectie: water supply?
(20:41:59) firespeaker: ﺎﺍ
(20:42:06) firespeaker: these are the forms of aleph in uyghur
(20:42:22) firespeaker: no exceptions
(20:42:23) begiak: NO EXCEPTIONS, firespeaker!
(20:42:34) firespeaker: except for this ﻻ
(20:42:43) firespeaker: and ﻼ
(20:43:20) firespeaker: (the easiest way for me to think of exceptions at this point is to say there aren't any)
(12:56:11) jonathan: this rewording is very minor but does seem to get rid of one of the issues at least
(12:56:39) jonathan: I'm not positive, though; I have to force myself to misunderstand my own thoughts to even evaluate whether it's maybe fixed :(
(12:56:53) Фрэн: well, i can help with that
"You know what they say—everyone has their own o-pinyin about how to transliterate Chinese."