Tristan: "It's weird hearing you say /o/s correctly when you speak other languages [Russian, Kyrgyz]."
Jonathan: "Why's that?"
Tristan: "Because you don't normally pronounce them right in English."
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Tristan: "It's weird hearing you say /o/s correctly when you speak other languages [Russian, Kyrgyz]."
Jonathan: "Why's that?"
Tristan: "Because you don't normally pronounce them right in English."
Jonathan: "Maybe they just think that */p/ turned to /b/ in Germanic. But it only went half way."
Derek: "Yeah, that's how they got þorn."
"Asian food is like Cajun food, but without the /k/.... Using that fact you can derive the taste of /k/."
(03:59:35) kesuari: how many ways does greek have of writing /i/!
(03:59:53) kesuari: it’s like the saw english "ough" and thought "hey, we can do that ... in reverse"
HS: But how did [G] become [g]? I thought usually the trend is the other way round.
Tristan: There’s no accounting for tastes :)
Ray: "Phonetics can be a turn off."
Mark: "Depends on how you teach it, Ray."
"They're called anti-formants, kinda like matter and anti-matter. Except if they meet, there's no explosion. And you can't make a space ship engine with them. You can't travel at light speed by going 'ananana'."
01:33:23 [me]: the commercial right before that one just now was a girl with a perfectly standard my-generation american accent, and I was admiring her very clear vowels. Enough so that I downloaded Praat.
01:34:11 [Tristan]: you're kidding me?
01:36:01 [Tristan]: "check out this girl's formants!"
(22:54:40) [me]: /r/ → [j] → ∅
(22:55:33) Aaron B: ??
(22:55:41) Aaron B: whatʼs the second arrow mean?
(22:56:08) Aaron B: /input/ -> [output] -> telepathy?
(22:56:18) Aaron B: that would explain the sound/no sound alternation...
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(22:57:12) Aaron B: if that's the case, then there might be a weird kind of suppletion thing going on
22:03:31 [me]: :-P
22:03:43 [me]: (I started to type :-P as 'th')
22:03:54 [me]: (which was weird. but that's how I'd pronounce it)
22:03:59 [Laura]: WHAT?
22:04:05 [Laura]: th=smiley face?
22:04:09 [me]: no.
22:04:11 [me]: pronounce :-P
22:04:21 [Laura]: "smiley face"
22:04:22 [Laura]: OH
22:04:25 [Laura]: pffft
22:04:28 [me]: no
22:04:31 [Laura]: no?
22:04:32 [me]: stick your tongue out
22:04:38 [me]: no ffs if your tongue's out
22:04:39 [Laura]: pbpbpbpbpbp
22:04:51 [me]: no ps or bs either
22:04:59 [Laura]: Absolutely it's a BP
22:05:17 [Laura]: The sounds of someone blowing a raspberry sounds like a p or b to me.
22:05:25 [me]: technically it's lingua-labial
22:05:36 [me]: yeah, but in this case your tongue is involved
22:05:40 [Laura]: a TH sounds is made by blowing air over over your tongue.
22:05:52 [Laura]: Maybe mrmrmrmrmrmrmrmr
22:05:59 [me]: no, an /h/ is made by blowing air over your tongue
22:06:08 [Laura]: But i like pbpbpbpbpbpbpbp
22:06:15 [me]: but you can do that without your tongue
22:06:20 [Laura]: Yes.
22:06:26 [Laura]: True.
22:06:38 [Laura]: But it's the same sound!
22:06:42 [me]: thbt might be better
22:06:48 [Laura]: Ok, ok.
22:06:55 [Laura]: It's understandable.
22:07:07 [me]: so that's why I started writing it as 'th'
22:07:10 [me]: instead of :-P
22:07:12 [Laura]: heh.
22:07:25 [me]: that conversation is almost worthy of my quotes page
22:07:38 [Laura]: pretty much.
04:21:06 [Tristan]: /me wonders how it shows for jon when he deso it
04:21:24 [me]: it just starts with "/me" and looks like a normal message otherways
04:21:38 [me]: (including your weird metathesis typos)
04:21:47 [Tristan]: llo
"I'm not like you. I got all these vowels from my parents… and some consonants from these Klingons."
"This is not a non-word! [xkɬpltθkʰft] is a non-word."
"For this speaker, odds are he's never going to reach 500Hz, unless he's getting run over by something."
Richard: "They did a spelling reform and got rid of all those extra circonflexes."
Jonathan: "Really? Did it apply to Canadian French?"
Richard: "Nothing applies to Canadian French."
02:35:08 [Tristan]: i hope your health insurance covers your tongue
03:36:29 [me]: cardinal vowels are so wrong
03:36:44 [Tristan]: oh, yeah, they're quite arbitrary
03:37:58 [me]: very franco-centric, though, if you ask me
03:39:24 [me]: btw, Kazakh has aspirated voiceless stops
03:39:27 [me]: go figure
03:39:40 [me]: but those voiceless stops voice and fricativise on occasion :)
03:40:11 [Tristan]: the primaracy of voice distinction in stops is also very fraco-centric :)
03:40:28 [Tristan]: maybe the americans should make their own freedom phonetic alphabet :)
05:11:37 [Tristan]: and i would think that if you need to tell people to distinguish two symbols it's usually an indication that you shouldn't be :)
03:47:04 [Tristan]: i thought yiddish was ei > ai, ii > ei
03:47:16 [me]: that's possible. what's your source?
03:47:28 [Tristan]: my possibly faulty brain
03:47:37 [me]: well, where'd you get it before that
03:47:41 [me]: cause that sounds basically right
03:47:59 [Tristan]: my possibly faulty brain is getting a DNS resolution failure on that.
Jonathan: "Fingers are not articulators!"
Aaron: "...Yes they are."
[Aaron again says [sʌmθɪŋ] using his fingers to open his mouth to avoid saying [sʌmpθɪŋ]]
Aaron: "You can't speak English without using your fingers."
"When you put people in a booth like that, they're desperate to please you. Unless they're a psychology undergrad—then they might be trying to mess with you."
(03:17:16) [me]: never heard of æ tensing? ;)
(03:17:55) Qatharsis: D'oh, of course. It's the opposite of q crumbling. ;)
"You didn't know that song was in 6-4, did you? You say pətejɾəw; I say pətejɾəw and pətɑɾəw. You say təmejɾəw; I say təmejɾəw and təmɑɾəw."
(18:35:14) [me]: well, I am going to go play DDR in an hour and a half...
(18:36:11) Qatharsis: Putting on bland brown pullovers and pronouncing /a o u/ as /Q 9 u-/? ;-)
(18:36:56) Qatharsis: Can't help but parse that as East Germany.
Jonathan: "But then why does /ʔəɾə-/ become [pɾi-]?"
Aaron & Amanda: "`Price'. That's English."
(03:43:48) Casoar: apparently there is no suprise
(03:43:50) Casoar: surprise.
(03:44:04) Casoar: stupid silent r. silent ahs shouldn't be spelt
(03:44:20) [me]: then don't spell them :)
(03:44:33) Casoar: okay, i won't then :)
(03:45:15) Casoar: if i can remembe not to spell them. i'll probly foget half the time though. unless the word in question is suprise, when i won't so much foget not to foget as not foget to remembe
(03:46:40) [me]: what??
15:28:38 qatharsis: Züritüütsch is not so common in the music business. Bärndütsch lends itself better to singing. It's more vowelly.
"I'm saying i ~ ɪ; you're hearing the airhead."
Prof. Voyles: "Let's get rid of the /ð/ in this example…"
me: "No, you can't do that—it's attested!"
Tristan: "[pæ̃ː]."
Jonathan: "[pæ̃ ]. It's short."
Tristan: "French is stupid."
Jonathan: "Why?"
Tristan: "Because it's not like my dialect of English."
"If they wanted it to be pronounced [latkəz], they should've spelled it ‘lutkers’."
(03:42:49) kesuari: nothing backs up like chiselling a great big stone
(03:43:57) kesuari: i sometimes reckon i should do that: go carving runes somewhere in the bush
(03:44:55) kesuari: not runes per se; i mean some form of phonetic alphabet that looks like runes and is similar enough to the latin alphabet or germanic runes to be decryptable
(03:45:17) kesuari: or maybe i'll do it a bit less phonetic just to give the future linguists a bit of fun
(03:45:43) kesuari: can't be too trivial or else i'll be the Orrm of the 21st century
(03:26:05) kesuari: in a thousand years, when english has divided into many languages and tehy've all had spelling reforms, they'll divise a "standardised spelling" for classical english
(03:26:52) kesuari: because the current spelling will been seen as "irregular" and "hard to read", "a poor guide to pronunciation" &c. they will probably also add diacritics so we can tell which vowels are long and which are short, which e's are silent and which are pronounced etc.
(03:27:09) kesuari: much like we do to old english
(03:27:33) kesuari: only, for a non-linguist of the 20th/21st centuries, it'll be hard to read because we don't expect it
(03:29:08) kesuari: and because no-one can seriously expect any of our recordings to last until then and because linguistics texts will largely have been lost to time as they weren't reproduced enough, people will have debates about quite how various aspects were pronounced
(03:30:10) kesuari: they'll reconstruct a language that includes the "bath/trap" split, f'instance
(03:30:24) kesuari: and have trouble reconciling it with the other germanic languagse
(03:32:45) kesuari: but, of course, english retained *þ and *w so it's obviously conservative: it must've been that german and even icelandic lost the original æ/ɑ distinction
"‘Venus’ and ‘venerial’ are related. Venus is the Goddess of love, and venerial diseases happen when you're looking for love in the wrong places."
Joyce: "Now I'm really sorry for referring that woman to the Tlingit wikipedia article. It makes it sound terrifying."
Jonathan: "Why's it terrifying?"
Amy: "Because she's not a linguist, and every ejective possible doesn't sound like a good thing."
Derek: [ftktp]!
Jonathan: "What's that?"
Derek: "Probably Berber."
(00:45:36) [me]: I think I'd summarise Hawai'ian as (C)V
"I'm a fan of the syllable; I believe in the syllable, but some people don't."
[Jonathan shows Aaron a book on Qaraqalpaq written in French]
Aaron: "This orthography is.. what?"
me: "Inconsistent."
"I myself am a theoretical phonologist, but in the late '80s, my eyes were beginning to glaze over and I was saying ‘I don't care where to hang [lateral].’"
"It's like a James Bond movie: 'A Pure Tone Rings Forever.'"
"There's another French politician who[se name] has to do with nasalisation!"
[02:51] Aaron B : you should get a cool linguistic alias
[02:51] Aaron B: like, you know how weathermen always just "happen" to have a geological reference in their names?
[02:51] Aaron B: around me we have "johnny mountain"
[02:51] Aaron B: and "dallas storm"
[02:51] Aaron B: you can be like...
[02:51] Aaron B: "jon minimality"
[02:52] Aaron B: or like "Al O. Phone"
[02:52] Aaron B: (short for Albert Optimality Phone)
Jonathan: "Database."
Руслан: "Я это не понимаю. Derbes, это пиво."
(06:02:06) Kesuari: (there is, i think, a certain amount of regular voicing and devoicing of stops and /tS/~/dZ/ (which might better be called /c/ and /J\/ even if that isn't their phonetic rendition) IMD. I have heard that it's not uncommon in AuE for voiced stops to be totally unvoiced and unvoiced aspirated, though i'm not sure if that's true for me.)
(06:02:44) [me]: that's like Werner's law
(06:03:03) Kesuari: or the second sound shift of german.
(06:03:19) Kesuari: which is like Werner's
(06:03:40) Kesuari: also fits into this neck of the woods better e.g. chinese and many other asian langs
(06:05:30) [me]: English:PIE::Australian English:Proto Germanic
(06:05:33) [me]: or at least in 2000 years
(06:06:02) [me]: lord help us if Middle English becomes proto-World
"It was cool, you know? I got intimate with her voice, or something."
Nick: "Actually [ˈgæɹəʤ] is a whole genre of music."
all: "You mean [gɻ̩ˈɑʒ]."
Nick: "It's quite different actually."
(18:50:47) [me]: y'know is jɨnəʊ̯
(18:51:13) [me]: that's weird though, because it doesn't follow the ə/ɨ generalisation for me
(18:51:31) [Tristan]: clitics don't in general
(18:51:42) [me]: oh yeah, the ɨm/əm contrast..
(18:51:45) [Tristan]: kill him ~ kill them is a ɪ/ə minimal pair
(18:52:05) [Tristan]: usefule to know as the indisputable overlord of the whole world
(18:52:24) [Tristan]: and especially useful for one of his minions
me: "What's that called when you express things with sounds?"
Austin: "You mean speaking?"
(17:29:30) Michael T: vowels are always plotting against me.. especially ɯ. you never know what ɯ is thinking.
(00:42:03) Derek: I found a way to explain language change to our students
(00:42:31) Derek: Languages start out cool and get less cool with time, unless the change involves gaining velars or uvulars
prof. Kara: "Benjamin, what's regressive assimilation?"
...
prof. Kara: "Well, you could say, when the Chinese borrow from the Tibetans, for example."
"The letter ‹q› is just hanging around waiting for English to gain uvular stops."
(04:31:14) kesuari: i could've sworn that on the heirarchy of cool letters, ø was way higher than ö
(20:07:46) [redacted]: there is not one single redeeming quality about the interface
(20:07:49) [redacted]: except that you can see it
(20:07:53) [redacted]: like, that it's not covered in black
(20:07:57) [redacted]: that's the only redeeming quality
(20:08:00) [redacted]: that you can see it
(21:43:46) Aaron B: and H&R are like "um, you got peanut butter in my chocolate; NO, you got CHOCOLATE in my peanut butter"
(21:43:51) Aaron B: except they don't like Reese's
(21:44:04) Aaron B: so they're grumpy about it
(21:44:19) Aaron B: basically they're like "phono is a completely arbitrary, abstract computation system; anything else = lame"
...
(21:46:37) Aaron B: lol, sorry
(21:46:50) Aaron B: sometimes i need to anthropomorphize complex theoretical issues
Derek: "Something about the word ‘Kyrgyz’ sounds agressive."
Jonathan: "What about [qr̩ˈʀz̩] sounds agressive?"
(18:42:02) spectie: Flammie, did you get the abstract in on time ?
(18:43:42) Flammie: I did, though it was kindof short and wishywashy
(18:43:52) spectie: you should have seen mine and firespeaker's
(18:44:50) firespeaker: we didn't even read ours
(18:44:52) spectie: yeah
(18:45:11) firespeaker: and I think it just sounds like a bunch of disconnected facts about Kyrgyz morphology
(18:45:19) firespeaker: and phonology
(18:45:33) firespeaker: which is basically what talking to me sounds like I guess
"We have vowel harmony; it's great. I like it, I love it!"
"The Spanish speakers are all like ‘it's close enough—we'll just make a little phonological conversion chart: «insert a bunch of /ʒ/ and /ão/»’"
(00:04:32) kesuari: eü -> ew is nothing...
(00:05:04) [me]: actually, not's not true
(00:05:45) [me]: didn't you look at that chart I sent? ;)
(00:06:29) kesuari: oh, w desonorises!
(00:06:32) kesuari: that’s awesome
(00:06:32) [me]: yeah =)
(00:06:42) [me]: I remember noticing that about 2 years ago
(00:06:46) [me]: and coming to the same conclusion
(00:07:00) kesuari: lol. yeah, your opinions are contagious or something
(16:55:49) [me]: btw, I've noticed that voicing typos aren't as uncommon as one might thing
"If we put it in the carrier sentence first, we might have confounding variables—like thinking."
"But you don't have languages where, for example, sonority behaves as a prosodic feature. So you don't have languages were some words are like [waə̃wə̃wʊɑ̃ə̃ɑ̃] and others are like [pskxə̥ɸhtʰɯ̥kʰɯ̥]."
"So Korean dramas are all the rage in lots of countries in Asia. And in China, when they imitate this recurring phrase from the Korean dramas—[Korean...], ‘I love you’—because that's what they do in Korean dramas, they love each other—they repeat it with an affricate."
JH: "Well, this was accepted to a major international conference, so it can't be useless."
RS: "Wrong."
"Oh, you don't know what open quotient is? You know most things."
Sam: "I'm going to sing a Mongolian song."
[Sam clears throat]
Niko: "That's actually the name of the song."
(13:11:51) spectie: қ:ғ {а}: ь: {☭}: >: {S}: ы: ь:ь {n}:н ы: __HFST_TWOLC_.#.
(13:12:00) spectie: uh oh, communism in our transducer
(13:17:45) selimcan: Фонологи всех стран, объединяйтесь! :)
(13:29:23) Фрэн: now i just need to get the irish converted into IPA
(13:29:29) Фрэн: so i can convert it into finnish
(19:05:24) spectie: you could remove the 'in langs'
(19:05:31) spectie: what else would TR vowel systems be identified in?
(19:05:32) spectie: buckets?
(19:05:50) spectie: insurgent groups/
(19:06:01) spectie: water supply?